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		<title>By: Exar</title>
		<link>http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/treknerd-thought-of-the-moment/2008/06/24/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Exar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a conservative Trek fan, for myself I can say that it&#039;s the idea of living in a world where the ideals of socialism work for everyone. Socialism works in our world, but it works less well the more people are involved in its execution. This is due to the simple realities of the tax burden it requires, and the limited nature of goods and resources. In the Trek world, because of replication, faster-than-light travel, instant teleportation anywhere on Earth and many other incredible technologies, those things simply aren&#039;t concerns anymore. 

Money is irrelevant, all basic needs are seen to, so people are able to pursue whatever goals they choose to set for themselves, become whatever they have the capability to. 

That&#039;s the pinnacle of the American Dream, to chase after greatness unhindered by limitations of supply and demand, by borders or prejudices. To simply achieve, through effort and will, whatever it is that you can dream of and are capable of, no matter who or what you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a conservative Trek fan, for myself I can say that it&#8217;s the idea of living in a world where the ideals of socialism work for everyone. Socialism works in our world, but it works less well the more people are involved in its execution. This is due to the simple realities of the tax burden it requires, and the limited nature of goods and resources. In the Trek world, because of replication, faster-than-light travel, instant teleportation anywhere on Earth and many other incredible technologies, those things simply aren&#8217;t concerns anymore. </p>
<p>Money is irrelevant, all basic needs are seen to, so people are able to pursue whatever goals they choose to set for themselves, become whatever they have the capability to. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the pinnacle of the American Dream, to chase after greatness unhindered by limitations of supply and demand, by borders or prejudices. To simply achieve, through effort and will, whatever it is that you can dream of and are capable of, no matter who or what you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/treknerd-thought-of-the-moment/2008/06/24/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;I kind of wish I knew the conservatives you hang out with, because the ones I know hint around this kind of racial determinism all the time.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Oh, I know there are crazy people out there...but you know, I have watched people do the same for folks on the left.  There is some insane shit on the web regardless of political affiliation.  Just because some conservatives are bigots doesn&#039;t actually mean they all are, just as being liberal does not equal &quot;tolerant&quot;.  I just get a bit tired of the discourse on the web being the equivelant of kids on a playground... &quot;You suck!&quot;  &quot;No! you suck!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I kind of wish I knew the conservatives you hang out with, because the ones I know hint around this kind of racial determinism all the time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, I know there are crazy people out there&#8230;but you know, I have watched people do the same for folks on the left.  There is some insane shit on the web regardless of political affiliation.  Just because some conservatives are bigots doesn&#8217;t actually mean they all are, just as being liberal does not equal &#8220;tolerant&#8221;.  I just get a bit tired of the discourse on the web being the equivelant of kids on a playground&#8230; &#8220;You suck!&#8221;  &#8220;No! you suck!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/treknerd-thought-of-the-moment/2008/06/24/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting, but for me (as a values conservative), it&#039;s much simpler. When Star Trek tells good stories, I like it. When it doesn&#039;t, I don&#039;t. TOS had good characters doing exciting things in cool places. This made it fun. Some of the stories were weak - didn&#039;t like those.

Now, since the simple answer isn&#039;t that satisfying, some pontification. In general, the one thing I demand in my fiction of any kind is confident characters. They should know who and what they are and act accordingly. Introspection is perfectly acceptable - navel-gazing and whiny self-indulgence is not. Kirk acted. Sisko tended to act. I liked them. Picard and the other two didn&#039;t, and I didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting, but for me (as a values conservative), it&#8217;s much simpler. When Star Trek tells good stories, I like it. When it doesn&#8217;t, I don&#8217;t. TOS had good characters doing exciting things in cool places. This made it fun. Some of the stories were weak &#8211; didn&#8217;t like those.</p>
<p>Now, since the simple answer isn&#8217;t that satisfying, some pontification. In general, the one thing I demand in my fiction of any kind is confident characters. They should know who and what they are and act accordingly. Introspection is perfectly acceptable &#8211; navel-gazing and whiny self-indulgence is not. Kirk acted. Sisko tended to act. I liked them. Picard and the other two didn&#8217;t, and I didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Davinder</title>
		<link>http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/treknerd-thought-of-the-moment/2008/06/24/comment-page-1/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Davinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;I know a lot of conservatives. I do not know a single one that believes:&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Really?  Because I just finished &lt;a href=&quot;http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/06/25/im-callin-bullshit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reading about conservative bloggers&lt;/a&gt; who are saying that Iowans are handling flooding better than New Orleans residents handled Katrina because Iowans are white.  One commenter on such a blog was even good enough to point out that the original entry about white people dealing with disasters better than black people is only saying &quot;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/17/the-day-the-bullshit-died/#comment-1607&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what everyone is secretly thinking.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;  The other comments follow a similar vein.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I kind of wish I knew the conservatives you hang out with, because the ones I know hint around this kind of racial determinism all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know a lot of conservatives. I do not know a single one that believes:</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  Because I just finished <a href="http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/06/25/im-callin-bullshit/" rel="nofollow">reading about conservative bloggers</a> who are saying that Iowans are handling flooding better than New Orleans residents handled Katrina because Iowans are white.  One commenter on such a blog was even good enough to point out that the original entry about white people dealing with disasters better than black people is only saying &#8220;<a HREF="http://girlontheright.com/2008/06/17/the-day-the-bullshit-died/#comment-1607" rel="nofollow">what everyone is secretly thinking.</a>&#8221;  The other comments follow a similar vein.</p>
<p>I kind of wish I knew the conservatives you hang out with, because the ones I know hint around this kind of racial determinism all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/treknerd-thought-of-the-moment/2008/06/24/comment-page-1/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek is also about the fantasy that a military commander, wielding a powerful starship, can be the ultimate force for good in the universe. Kirk could have solved the Iraq war with a few photon torpedoes, a good bluff, and by sleeping with a hot Middle Eastern chick.

In the real world, things take patience, economic development, tolerance, non-governmental organizations, diplomacy, and things like that. The Bush doctrine assumes you can just send in Captain Kirk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek is also about the fantasy that a military commander, wielding a powerful starship, can be the ultimate force for good in the universe. Kirk could have solved the Iraq war with a few photon torpedoes, a good bluff, and by sleeping with a hot Middle Eastern chick.</p>
<p>In the real world, things take patience, economic development, tolerance, non-governmental organizations, diplomacy, and things like that. The Bush doctrine assumes you can just send in Captain Kirk.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a lot of conservatives.  I do not know a single one that believes:
This easily plays into conservativesâ€™ fantasies that all black people want gold chains and spinning hubcaps and all Christian white people are inherently good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a lot of conservatives.  I do not know a single one that believes:<br />
This easily plays into conservativesâ€™ fantasies that all black people want gold chains and spinning hubcaps and all Christian white people are inherently good.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We will allow aliens to play along, as long as they go to the Academy and wear our matching color-coded uniforms.&quot;

Even still, how often did Counsellor Troy wear a real uniform, and Worf got to fill his boots with Klingon crap (I can only ever recall Sisko chewing Worf out for his alien habits when it came to Worf killing his brother)? Then on DS9, you had all kinds of Bajor folk around wearing Bajoran uniforms and Kira, who was Sisko&#039;s right hand man, was a Major in Bajor&#039;s whatever. And, y&#039;know, the Academy and matching color-coded uniforms were for a Starfleet. Complaining about that seems about as valid as complaining that, say, if I moved to the U.S., became a citizen, and joined the Navy that I&#039;d have to wear Navy&#039;s uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We will allow aliens to play along, as long as they go to the Academy and wear our matching color-coded uniforms.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even still, how often did Counsellor Troy wear a real uniform, and Worf got to fill his boots with Klingon crap (I can only ever recall Sisko chewing Worf out for his alien habits when it came to Worf killing his brother)? Then on DS9, you had all kinds of Bajor folk around wearing Bajoran uniforms and Kira, who was Sisko&#8217;s right hand man, was a Major in Bajor&#8217;s whatever. And, y&#8217;know, the Academy and matching color-coded uniforms were for a Starfleet. Complaining about that seems about as valid as complaining that, say, if I moved to the U.S., became a citizen, and joined the Navy that I&#8217;d have to wear Navy&#8217;s uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: Shon</title>
		<link>http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/treknerd-thought-of-the-moment/2008/06/24/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Shon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it comes down to the way every alien race is presented as representative of the whole.  All Klingons are warriors, all Vulcans are logic obsessed, all Frengi want money, etc.  When we see a character that is against type, it is presented as a Big Deal and an abberation.  A Klingon who doesn&#039;t want to fight?  That&#039;s an hour episode right there.  

This easily plays into conservatives&#039; fantasies that all black people want gold chains and spinning hubcaps and all Christian white people are inherently good.  It&#039;s this basic idea that all people share inherent qualities from their race/background/nationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it comes down to the way every alien race is presented as representative of the whole.  All Klingons are warriors, all Vulcans are logic obsessed, all Frengi want money, etc.  When we see a character that is against type, it is presented as a Big Deal and an abberation.  A Klingon who doesn&#8217;t want to fight?  That&#8217;s an hour episode right there.  </p>
<p>This easily plays into conservatives&#8217; fantasies that all black people want gold chains and spinning hubcaps and all Christian white people are inherently good.  It&#8217;s this basic idea that all people share inherent qualities from their race/background/nationality.</p>
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		<title>By: Dayv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dayv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Socialism might work someday, but not yet&quot; is one of my favorite conservative lines.&#160; It *never* goes out of style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Socialism might work someday, but not yet&#8221; is one of my favorite conservative lines.&nbsp; It *never* goes out of style.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Church</title>
		<link>http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/treknerd-thought-of-the-moment/2008/06/24/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;â€œNon-bipedal humansâ€? Wouldnâ€™t those just be infants and people without legs?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
I &lt;STRONG&gt;meant&lt;/STRONG&gt; &quot;humanoids.&quot;  Jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œNon-bipedal humansâ€? Wouldnâ€™t those just be infants and people without legs?</p></blockquote>
<p>I <strong>meant</strong> &#8220;humanoids.&#8221;  Jerk.</p>
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